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post 22 Sep 2011, 14:25
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De acord ca m-am inselat intr-o anumita privinta, extrapoland la nivelul UE anumite prevederi dintr-o tara sau alta, dar de aici si pana la a fi tras de urechi zic io ca e cale lunga.
Data viitoare poate initatorul cauta pe www.vreausamiducmasinaingermania.de si afla direct de ce are nevoie.
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post 22 Sep 2011, 14:34
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eee, urecheala nu e ca te-ai inselat, ci ca te tineai batos tare.

nu-i nimic, sa nu se mai intample. stergem cu buretele, sunt in toane bune azi tongue.gif


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post 22 Sep 2011, 14:39
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Pai ma tineam batos pe ce stiam io tongue.gif

Da' sa stii ca nu-s lamurit inca despre cum se-ntampla in Germania. icon_mrgreen.gif


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post 22 Sep 2011, 14:41
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post 22 Sep 2011, 14:45
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Zi-ne ceva despre Legea Talionului, aplicabila la Fetesti!


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post 22 Sep 2011, 14:49
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mah bajeti, pare rau sa va dezamagesc... da' n-am logan. si nici n-am avut. si opel nu e masina.

ceva-ceva ati ginit voi p'aci, am ceva state in zona, da' sa ma confundati cu soni? PLE-hheheheeh-ASE...

pare rau pentru voi pentru atatea hinturi de calitate irosite sad.gif

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post 22 Sep 2011, 14:52
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logan dci? iar te mutasi?


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post 22 Sep 2011, 14:54
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mereu. la marmacie...


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post 22 Sep 2011, 14:57
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post 22 Sep 2011, 14:59
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si tu ai o vara in ploiesti?


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QUOTE(RZV @ 22 Sep 2011, 15:05)
Georgeeeeee?
Unde esti ma cand are nevoie omu' de tine? dry.gif

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Your own driver's license is valid in Germany, at least at the outset. If it was issued by a European Union country, you will never need to exchange it for a German one.



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Vehicle Registration
When visiting the local motor vehicle registry (Autozulassungsstelle) a person needs proof of ownership, proof of insurance and, if the car was purchased in Germany, the Kraftfahrzeugbrief, a document that is supposed to accompany the car through all owners from assembly line to scrap yard. The new or used car dealer from whom the car was purchased will usually handle the registration.
The vehicle must also pass a safety inspection. Tests are conducted by the Technischer Überwachungsverein nationwide. Cars that were purchased new must be inspected after three years, and thereafter all cars must be inspected at two-year intervals.
Laws governing the condition of cars and motorcycles are strict. The engine, chassis, frame and all other components, including brakes, tires, horn, wheel alignment, windshield, lights and mirrors will be checked. Vehicles that fail inspection usually do so because of rust or faulty lights, exhaust, brakes or tires. The basic rule is that if an item is mounted on the vehicle, it must function and be completely serviceable even if not essential to operation.
Car Insurance
Before a person can register a car in Germany he or she must have proof of third party liability coverage for all damage or injury to another person, car or object. While collision or comprehensive insurance isn't required by law, most institutions financing the purchase of a vehicle do require it. This can raise the insurance bill considerably, and insurance is not cheap in Germany.
There are numerous factors in addition to coverage that influence the insurance price. Beginning drivers pay more than experienced drivers; those driving big, powerful cars pay more than those with more modest vehicles; those living in urban areas pay more than those in rural areas, and those who have been found liable in accidents pay more than those who haven't.
If you have a good driving record in your home country you can get credit for it here. Get a letter from your insurance agent back home. If the German agent says you can't get this credit try another agent. Some insurance agents in Germany are geared to getting the expatriate through these complexities.
Traffic Laws
Don't let the high speeds on German roads fool you into believing that there are no reduced speed zones. There are, in fact, many sections of the German Autobahns that have speed limits. The speed limits are prominently posted in heavily traveled sections of Autobahns around cities. You'll also see speed limit signs on other seemingly open parts of the Autobahns in the countryside. So, keep an eye open for them. Usually, speeders will not be stopped at the time of the offense but will get a speeding ticket through the mail. This may be as long as two or three months after the incident. The German police use special cameras to catch speeders. Persons exceeding the limits by more than 30 kilometers an hour can count on losing licenses for a period of up to three months, plus a stiff fine.
A tough, computerized point system is used to get dangerous drivers off the road. Increasingly strict penalties are the order of the day especially where drugs or alcohol are involved, and especially if there was an accident. Except where posted because of construction or traffic problems, there are no speed limits on the autobahns, although the recommended maximum is 130kph (about 80mph).
A mixture of slow-moving trucks and high-speed autos are on the same roads at the same time and defensive driving is a must. Autobahn chain-reaction pileups occur periodically, partly because of high speeds. The most common causes of accidents involving expatriates are failing to yield the right-of-way, following too closely and failure to maintain control. Accidents occurring at speeds of over 130 kph on the autobahns can result in insurance payment claims being annulled regardless of who was at fault.
The basic speed limit is 50kph in built-up areas and 100kph elsewhere. If you are hauling a trailer the speed limit is 80kph roads and autobahns.
If you see a blinking yellow light at an intersection it means stop, then proceed if the intersection is clear. Run a red light and you'll probably be caught: many intersections have radar-controlled cameras hooked up to traffic lights.
All vehicles in Germany are required to have serviceable seat belts for all persons in the car, including those riding in the back seat. And the law requires that they be worn. There is a €30 on-the-spot fine for each person in a car not using a seat belt. An exception is made for back-seat passengers in older-model cars that didn't originally come equipped with rear seat belts. Children under 12 are not allowed to ride in the front seat of a car and must use car seats certified by the German government.
There is no general rule in Germany that prohibits passing in an intersection. The driver making a left turn must therefore check for rear traffic at least twice and, because of the rearview mirror's "blind spot," should not rely on it alone.
In Germany, a driver can be forced to submit to a blood test. The blood alcohol limit is 0.5 milligrams of alcohol per milliliter of whole blood. Persons exceeding this limit will be fined and face a license suspension of up to three months for the first offense. Just how many drinks it takes to give a person a 0.5 blood alcohol count depends on size and other factors, but two small beers, a quarter of a liter of wine or a jigger of hard liquor will probably get one close.
German law requires that all automobiles have a portable red reflective triangle and a first aid kit in their trunk. If a car is stopped for any reason, the triangle must be placed 200 meters behind it if on the autobahn and 100 meters behind it on all other roads. The car's emergency flashers should also be turned on. You can only pass vehicles on the left. There's a stiff fine for passing on the right.
Driving with parking lights alone is prohibited. You must use your headlights (low-beam) at night and during inclement weather. Motorcyclists must wear helmets and drive with the headlight on at all times. The Germans also have a complicated right of way rule. Unless otherwise posted, the driver coming from the right at an intersection has the right of way. Just because you are on what looks to be a major road, you may not be on the "priority" road. A diamond-shaped sign (yellow in the center surrounded by a white border) tells you if you are on a priority road.
The yield sign is an inverted triangle with a red border and white interior and means that you must yield the right-of-way. You don't have to stop, though, if the way is clear. An eight-sided stop sign means that you must first come to a complete stop before proceeding.
Traffic calming zones (Verkehrsberuhigungenzone), indicated by a sign showing a pedestrian and a child kicking a ball, are often found in residential areas. In them playing children may use the entire street and traffic must stop for pedestrians and move at no more than 7kph.
You must stop for anyone using, or preparing to use, a white-striped "zebra" pedestrian crossing.
Round blue signs with white arrows inside them show permitted directions of travel. For example, if there are arrows pointing both up and to the right it means you have your choice of straight ahead or right, but left is prohibited. If there is a single arrow pointing left it means "left turn only."
If you're involved in an accident, do not leave the scene. As the driver of a vehicle involved in an accident you must remain at the scene for at least 30 minutes before leaving, if alone. If you are involved in an accident with others, you must exchange personal and insurance information. Leaving the scene of an accident can lead to severe financial penalties and, depending on whether personal injury to others or extensive property damage is involved, you could be incarcerated or lose your license.
Failure to pay traffic violations (citations for parking in clearly marked "no parking" zones or parking in a handicap space and other relatively small infractions) can lead to imprisonment. If the violations date back far enough and failure to pay is constant, your final payment will be a hefty fine (known as Bussgeld), accompanied by loss of your license and quite possibly a "go straight to jail" card.
Some fines may be collected on the spot, provided the driver has enough ready cash on hand; otherwise, your name and address will be taken and a ticket will be mailed to you later with an accompanying payment slip.
It is generally difficult to find a place to park during working hours, though in many cases you may be able to park in the evening at places where it's barred during the day. Be forewarned: German towing fees are very high! Round signs with red borders and a blue interior and an "X" mean no parking or stopping whatsoever. Similar signs with a single diagonal line mean restricted parking, or parking for a limit of three minutes only. Signs with only a red border and white middle mean no vehicles of any type are permitted.
Motorists may not pass a bus that signals with its blinker that it is approaching one of its stops. Once the bus has stopped it's OK to pass it, but at what the Germans call Schrittempo. That means moving so slowly that the needle on your speedometer doesn't register. Cars headed in the opposite direction must also use Schrittempo when a bus is stopped with its blinker going. This is because of the danger that people, particularly children, may try to cross the street in an effort to catch the bus. If any do, the car must stop and let them cross.
Driving on snow-covered roads is permitted only if your car is equipped with the proper tires. There are dedicated winter tires as well as all weather tires that may be acceptable. Use of regular summer tires in snowy or icy conditions can result in a fine and, much worse, loss of your insurance coverage in the event of an accident. Check with your local mechanic, dealership or repair shop to make sure you have the proper tires on you car.



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Registering a vehicle

Obtain an insurance cover called "Doppelkarte"
Make an appointment with the local vehicle test service (TÜV) if the car is older than 3 years, the previous test certificate has expired or the car has been imported. The TÜV will examine the vehicle to ensure that it compies with the applicable safety regulations and issue a certificate.
Go to the local licensing office (Strassenverkehrsamt). Two registration documents (Fahrzeugbrief and Fahrzeugschein) stating the present owner and the registration number will be issued. Obtain the registration plates at a especially authorized shop in the vicinity of the local licensing office.
The plates show the registration number, seal of issuing licensing office and the month and year of the next safety inspection.


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post 22 Sep 2011, 15:13
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iti dai seama ca n-ai raspuns la intrebarea cheie? coolspeak.gif

am aflat eu intre timp, ai voie sa bananai cu masina inmatriculata oriunde 6 luni, care pot fi prelungite cu inca 6.

si ca oricum, regula e 'loosely enforced', deci in principiu sansele sa te intrebe cineva de sanatate sunt mici.


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post 22 Sep 2011, 15:18
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Giorgeleee, baaaa!! ai pus tot codul rutier nemtesc acolooo!!


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post 22 Sep 2011, 15:18
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QUOTE(Han Solo @ 22 Sep 2011, 15:13)
iti dai seama ca n-ai raspuns la intrebarea cheie?  coolspeak.gif

am aflat eu intre timp, ai voie sa bananai cu masina inmatriculata oriunde 6 luni, care pot fi prelungite cu inca 6.

si ca oricum, regula e 'loosely enforced', deci in principiu sansele sa te intrebe cineva de sanatate sunt mici.
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post 22 Sep 2011, 15:21
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Mai verifica, totusi, noaptea, pe geam. Macar prin sondaj.


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post 22 Sep 2011, 15:31
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QUOTE(Han Solo @ 22 Sep 2011, 16:13)
iti dai seama ca n-ai raspuns la intrebarea cheie?  coolspeak.gif

am aflat eu intre timp, ai voie sa bananai cu masina inmatriculata oriunde 6 luni, care pot fi prelungite cu inca 6.

si ca oricum, regula e 'loosely enforced', deci in principiu sansele sa te intrebe cineva de sanatate sunt mici.
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Da stii de ce? Pentru ca dupa 12* luni, nu mai tin minte exact, daca nu ai declarat-o, a expirat timpu in care o poti lua ca removal goods icon_mrgreen.gif

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Cars and Motorcycles
In general, you do not have to pay import taxes on your car or motorcycle when you move to the Netherlands. However, some conditions apply.

You must apply for a permit with the Dutch Customs to import your car with a foreign registration number tax-free into the Netherlands. For this, you use the form: application form for a Licence granting exemption from BPM (Belasting van Personenauto's en Motorrijwielen / Private motor vehicle and motorcycle tax) upon moving (only available in Dutch).

This also needs to be done by citizens of other EU countries!

The general conditions for importing removal goods and your car or motorcycle are:

You move your regular place of residency from abroad to the Netherlands;
You have lived outside the Netherlands during at least 12 months. The goods or motor vehicle are/is part of your household;
You have used or possessed the goods or motor vehicle for at least 6 months;
You have used the goods and are intended to use the goods for your household again;
You will move the goods within 12 months after your move to the Netherlands;
You will not lend, pawn, let, lease, or change ownership of the goods;
the period you have to observe is twelve months after the date when the goods were released into free circulation.

For more information, we strongly advise you to check the website of the Dutch Customs, in particular the sections removal goods and Private motor vehicle and motorcycle tax (bpm).


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Removal goods
Used cars may be imported free of duty and of VAT as removal goods on condition that you have owned and used the car for the last six months. For documentation, a foreign registration certificate must be submitted.

You must furthermore prove, that you have been resident outside the EU for a continuous period of at least 12 months.

Within the first 12 months after the import, the car can not be sold, pledged or hired out.

When moving to Denmark from another EU country, you can normally bring your car free of duty and VAT on condition that you have owned and used the car.

Registration tax

Registration tax must be paid on imported cars, new as well as used. This will apply regardless of whether they are imported from an EU country or from other countries. Registration tax must also be paid on cars imported free of duty and VAT as removal goods.

Technical approval
First of all, you must bring the car to the Technical Authority, who among other things will conduct the technical approval of the car, establish the identity and equipment of the car etc.

Registration tax
Before car number plates can be issued to you, you have to contact the tax administration, where you will have to pay the registration tax.

You must bring:

Application form 21.016 E.
Documentation for the technical approval from the Technical Authority.
The foreign registration certificate.
Any receipt for payment of duty and VAT (when buying from non-EU countries).
Funds in cash or cheque issued by bankers for payment of the tax.
Once you have paid the registration tax, a certificate will be issued to you which you will need for registration of the vehicle (number plates).

Assessment
The final registration tax will be calculated on the basis of the ordinary price of the car, including VAT and registration tax, when sold to a user in this country compared with the price of the car as new.

The registration tax will thus not be calculated on the purchase price of the car, or on what a car dealer would pay for the car, but on the taxable value of the car fixed by the tax administration (SKAT). This corresponds to the price at which a Danish car dealer can sell a similar car (incl. VAT, dealer profit and registration tax).

Tax rate
The registration tax is calculated by 105 per cent of DKK 79.000 and 180 per cent of the rest (rates per 1. january 2009).

On skat.dk you can find a calculator, which may help you to calculate the registration tax.



Germania nu cred ca are taxe pe inmatriculare sau import (sunt mama industriei auto din Europa), de aceea sunt mai relaxati, insa regula cu 6 luni e la nivel de EU.

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cam putin 3k brut daca mai ai si experienta si esti bun in ceea ce faci, fa-ti un cont pe http://www.monster.de/ si vezi poate pica ceva mai bun.


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post 22 Sep 2011, 16:02
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QUOTE(kaspersky @ 22 Sep 2011, 15:49)
cam putin 3k brut daca mai ai si experienta si esti bun in ceea ce faci, fa-ti un cont pe http://www.monster.de/ si vezi poate pica ceva mai bun.
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De curiozitate, daca nu sunt indiscret, cat aveai salariul in .ro? Daca zici ca in .de o sa ai ~2000E pe luna, cred ca un sfat bun ti se poate da in functie de salariul de aici.


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post 22 Sep 2011, 16:24
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QUOTE(Andy_ACS @ 22 Sep 2011, 16:21)
De curiozitate, daca nu sunt indiscret, cat aveai salariul in .ro? Daca zici ca in .de o sa ai ~2000E pe luna, cred ca un sfat bun ti se poate da in functie de salariul de aici.
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post 22 Sep 2011, 16:31
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Deci sa inteleg ca ai 800 in mana si sunt si trecuti pe cartea de munca (deci nu ti-i dau la negru).
Ai un salariu bun si in Romania, nu esti presat sa pleci (dpdv financiar).
Probabil in luarea deciziei conteaza mult felul tau de a fi, daca iti place sa incerci ceva nou sau esti un tip conservator.
Cred ca dpdv al exp de viata si al exp in domeniul tau de activitate ar fi un lucru bun sa mergi, dar o sa iti fie putin mai greu daca nu esti o fire mai deschisa, adaptabila.


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post 22 Sep 2011, 16:37
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QUOTE(Andy_ACS @ 22 Sep 2011, 16:31)
Deci sa inteleg ca ai 800 in mana si sunt si trecuti pe cartea de munca (deci nu ti-i dau la negru).
Ai un salariu bun si in Romania, nu esti presat sa pleci (dpdv financiar).
Probabil in luarea deciziei conteaza mult felul tau de a fi, daca iti place sa incerci ceva nou sau esti un tip conservator.
Cred ca dpdv al exp de viata si al exp in domeniul tau de activitate ar fi un lucru bun sa mergi, dar o sa iti fie putin mai greu daca nu esti o fire mai deschisa, adaptabila.
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Cam asta e si ideea. In Iasi incep sa ma plafonez legat de cariera, nu prea am la ce firme sa plec pe un salar mai mare sau sa apara noi oportunitati in dezvoltarea carierei. Singurele optiuni sunt Cluj, Timisoara, Bucuresti si in strainate. Dintre toate cred ca voi alege sa plec in Germania cel putin pentru o perioada sa interactionez si cu alti oameni, alte mentalitati etc. Ma adaptez usor la un mediu nou, dar ma mai apuca si depresiile uneori...


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post 22 Sep 2011, 16:39
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In cazul asta poti incerca cu incredere. Rau nu are cum sa iti prinda, in cel mai rau caz te intorci acasa peste cateva luni (daca nu te adaptezi).


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post 22 Sep 2011, 16:47
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Du-te fara regrete smile.gif.

De intors te poti intoarce oricand (respectand contractul bineinteles), insa sansele de a pleca nu-s asa de dese precum ne place noua sa credem.
Iar aproape 2000 de euro net lunar e un venit mai mult decat decent oriunde (incluzand Germania), asa ca nu trebuie sa te preocupe prea tare aspectul asta la inceput.
Si vorba aia, nu-i un capat de lume, e Europa, si daca te "taie doru' " in cateva ore + niste sute de euro, cu niste legaturi bune, esti acasa.
Io asa am facut si (inca) nu regret.

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QUOTE(RZV @ 22 Sep 2011, 16:47)
Du-te fara regrete smile.gif.

De intors te poti intoarce oricand (respectand contractul bineinteles), insa sansele de a pleca nu-s asa de dese precum ne place noua sa credem.
Iar aproape 2000 de euro net lunar e un venit mai mult decat decent oriunde (incluzand Germania), asa ca nu trebuie sa te preocupe prea tare aspectul asta la inceput.
Si vorba aia, nu-i un capat de lume, e Europa, si daca te "taie doru' " in cateva ore + niste sute de euro, cu niste legaturi bune, esti acasa.
Io asa am facut si (inca) nu regret.

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Eu in locul tau as pleca in seara asta.
Fara masina. O sa-ti dea numai batai de cap. Vinde-o repede sa ai bani de avans la chirie si iti iei usor un junghi acolo dupa ce iti faci toate actele.


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QUOTE(Ake @ 22 Sep 2011, 17:14)
Eu in locul tau as pleca in seara asta.
Fara masina. O sa-ti dea numai batai de cap. Vinde-o repede sa ai bani de avans la chirie si iti iei usor un junghi acolo dupa ce iti faci toate actele.
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Ma gandeam sa o iau la primul drum acolo sa-mi car hainele si eventualele bagaje. Ca la avion ma usuca 2-3 valize. Dupa aia la 2-3 luni o aduc in tara si o sa o vand un prieten aici. Imi va fi de folos sa explorez zona.


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QUOTE(RZV @ 22 Sep 2011, 17:47)
Du-te fara regrete smile.gif.
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e buna o masina pana te prinzi ce si cum. ai grija cu parcarea smile.gif


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QUOTE(yonutz84 @ 22 Sep 2011, 18:23)
Ma gandeam sa o iau la primul drum acolo sa-mi car hainele si eventualele bagaje. Ca la avion ma usuca 2-3 valize. Dupa aia la 2-3 luni o aduc in tara si o sa o vand un prieten aici. Imi va fi de folos sa explorez zona.
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Foarte buna abordarea.

Mai ales la inceput o sa ai nevoie de masina ca de aer. Nu stii transportul in comun, nu ai pe nimeni acolo, mai mergi si tu in stanga-dreapta intr-un weekend, ca sa nu stai in casa si sa te cateri pe pereti smile.gif. Cam primele doua luni o sa fie mai nasol, pana te "aclimatizezi" ca sa zic asa, dupa aia treci peste orice fara probleme.

Dupa ce o sa inveti care-s treburile p'acolo poate-ti iei bicicleta si renunti la ideea de masina, cine stie? (asta daca-ti aflii si o duduie cu 'tomobil p'acolo). Ca prin unele zone is maniaci nemtii de circula numa' cu biciletele. smile.gif

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L.E. Am cam postat aceleasi idei cu Han Solo, dar era in acelsi timp.

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