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Tomasetto sunt bune datorita componentelor, dar Landi Renzo si Milano sunt bune datorita soft+ECU Gaz.


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QUOTE(koldun @ 31 May 2008, 17:17)
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Ia vezi onorabile aici. Mai depinde si cum o "calci" si de cate ori te opresti pe zi.
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Aia mint acolo, pe bune dak nu mint, pentru ca in oras aia zic acolo 10 si ceva, dar afara au facut-o lata cu 7% ptr k eu de cand am montat instalatia nu mia luat mai putin de 7-5-8% afara, in contextul inn care eu mai mult de 100 nu trec.


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Consumurile alea sunt calculate la mers foarte batraneste, cu accelerari greoaie si cu schimbari in turatii foarte mici, de aia le da un consum asa mic.


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post 1 Jun 2008, 11:49
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QUOTE(AR-18-MOS @ 1 Jun 2008, 12:06)
Consumurile alea sunt calculate la mers foarte batraneste, cu accelerari greoaie si cu schimbari in turatii foarte mici, de aia le da un consum asa mic.
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hmmm..., s-ar putea sa ai dreptate.
Dar am si eu o intrebare tu ce consumuri ai, obs k esti din arad, ce tip de instalatie ai si ce masina?


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post 1 Jun 2008, 11:56
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La masina din semnatura, 1.4MPI +GPL, consum urban 10%, extraurban 7-8%. De metionat ca am scos consum extraurban si de 10%.


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post 1 Jun 2008, 11:57
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QUOTE(AR-18-MOS @ 1 Jun 2008, 12:56)
La masina din semnatura, 1.4MPI +GPL, consum urban 10%, extraurban 7-8%. De metionat ca am scos consum extraurban si de 10%.
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da, dar sigur nu ai mers cu 100km/h


dar, oricum ms de ajutor, acum sincer m-am mai linistit, eu am crezut k la mine este o sit mai speciala de imi consuma sa, obs din spusele tale ca mai sunt si alte cazuri.
Inca odata ms de ajutor, si mai ast rasp si de la ceilalti pentru ca intotdeauan sunt binevenite.

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post 1 Jun 2008, 12:17
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Masina cati kilometri are?


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post 1 Jun 2008, 12:26
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QUOTE(AR-18-MOS @ 1 Jun 2008, 13:17)
Masina cati kilometri are?
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13500, si am trecuto pe gpl la 7500, de ce?


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post 1 Jun 2008, 12:32
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Ma gandeam daca a depasit sau nu 3000Km ...
Ce instalatie GPL are?

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post 1 Jun 2008, 12:55
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QUOTE(AR-18-MOS @ 1 Jun 2008, 13:32)
Ma gandeam daca a depasit sau nu 3000Km ...
Ce instalatie GPL are?
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a depasit de mult timp, am o instlatie landi renzo


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post 1 Jun 2008, 13:03
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cam astea sunt consumurile. si mie cu GPL din fabrica imi ia 10% in oras si 8% extraurban la o viteza de croaziera 120km/h. 15000km.


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post 1 Jun 2008, 13:25
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Acuma, ma bag si eu in seama. La 1.4 mpi, instalatie Milano, am avut un consum de:.... 96 lei la 542 km! Nu pot sa spun consum urban/ extern pt ca eu fac 70 km pana la statia de GPL, si de fiecare data fac plinu'. Insa chiar si asa, cu un consum de bani/ km eu ma felicit pentru alegerea facuta.
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post 1 Jun 2008, 13:28
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QUOTE(faganezu @ 1 Jun 2008, 14:03)
cam astea sunt consumurile. si mie cu GPL din fabrica imi ia 10% in oras si 8% extraurban la o viteza de croaziera 120km/h.  15000km.
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da, dar la mine imi ia in jur de la la o vit de 100km/h, ce motor ai?


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post 1 Jun 2008, 13:29
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1.4MPI ... scria la semnatura. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(gabau86 @ 1 Jun 2008, 12:02)
Aia mint acolo, pe bune dak nu mint, pentru ca in oras aia zic acolo 10 si ceva, dar afara au facut-o lata cu 7% ptr k eu de cand am montat instalatia nu mia luat mai putin de 7-5-8% afara, in contextul inn care eu mai mult de 100 nu trec.
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Este stiut ca datele producatorului referitoare le consum nu prea coincid cu cele reale dar sunt cazuri (la mine e ex) cand coincid. Si inca ceva. Alea sunt consumuri date de Nea Mioveni pentru Dacia cu Landi Renzo montata IN fabrica!

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post 1 Jun 2008, 13:32
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De mentionat ca automobilele cu instalatie GPL Landi Renzo, montate din uzina, sunt mult mai bine calibrate decat cele montate la un dealer/service.

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post 1 Jun 2008, 13:42
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aha, pai si deci sa inteleg k ar trebui sa ma obisnuesc cu consumul asta, mda cam col, oricum va multumesc de ajutor


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Pai la ce consum te-ai asteptat la un motor de 1.6? Gandeste-te ca pe GPL, in medie, consumul este mai mare cu 1,5l.


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post 1 Jun 2008, 13:45
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Eu, la 1.4 mpi si instalatie Milano, am un consum de 97 lei/ 540 km!!! Bun, zic eu. Am instalatia de 1,5 luni si cred ca deja se amortizeaza numai din cresterile de pret la benzina smile.gif !!!


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@radus, cat platesti pentru un litru de GPL?


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post 1 Jun 2008, 14:13
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2.25lei/litru -> Rompetrol Alba


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post 1 Jun 2008, 14:38
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QUOTE(MoToR @ 29 May 2008, 21:59)
apropo' , singura si cea mai relevanta metoda de testare a scaparilor de gaze este cea cu bricheta aprinsa pe la imbinari ! este folosita de aproape toate atelierele de montaj...din Italia !
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Nu stiu altii cum sunt, dar eu, daca as banui o scurgere de gaz si m-as duce la un service pentru verificari, nu m-as bucura deloc daca as vedea mecanicul umbland cu bricheta aprinsa pe langa matele masinii. Asa o fi la broaste, ca vad ca ai informatii din domeniu, dar in UK uite ce cerinte sunt pentru a-ti deschide un service auto de instalatii GPL:

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Conversion of vehicles to operate on LPG should only take place in appropriately designed and equipped premises. LPGA Code of Practice 11 gives guidance on garaging, repair and maintenance. LPGA inspectors will, in particular, be looking to ensure that:

*installation work is carried out in a weather-proof garage area;
*there is adequate lighting;
*portable/hand held lights are flameproof;
*purge gases are able to be discharged safely;
*there is a pit or ramp equipment for working underneath vehicles whilst standing;
*if a pit is provided, gas detectors and forced ventilation are fitted;
*where necessary flameproof or intrinsically safe electrical equipment is installed;
*where welding or other hot-work is carried out there is a written scheme or a "permit to work" system in use;
*dry-powder fire extinguishers are readily available for immediate use;
*fire extinguishers are within test date.


If bulk LPG or LPG cylinders are stored on site or if there are refuelling facilities, the inspector will seek to ensure that:

*the storage tank location complies with required safety distances in COP1 Part 1 or Part 4 from buildings, property or sources of ignition;
*warning notices are posted;
*cylinders are kept in a suitable area per COP7;
*access for road tanker deliveries is satisfactory;
*refuelling facilities comply with safety distances in COP20.


Conversion of vehicles to operate on LPG generally requires few specialist tools, however, the inspector will expect to see:

*four gas analyser or compatible MOT analyser (Note: Preference should be given to types acceptable for MOT testing);
*flaring tool capable of flaring both 6 and 8mm copper or steel pipe with a double lap flare;
*pipe cutter suitable for copper pipe and steel pipe;
*lambda tester for testing the condition and the signal wire on the lambda sensor in the exhaust;
*leak detection fluid

SURSA
Or fi englezii mai reticenti sau n-au auzit de leak detection lighter ?

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Asta inseamna un consum de gaz de 8l/100km + 3lbenzina consumati in 540km. Adica acesti 540km te costa de fapt 110ron fata de 147,6ron cit ar costa daca ai circula pe benzina, considerind un consum pe benzina de 6.8l/100km . Inseamna ca economia este de 25%, ci nu 40% cum ne pacalesc prezentarile de la firmele de gaz, ceea ce inseamna o amortizare in timp aproape dublu decit cel preconizat....si nu mai sunt sigur ca sunt atit de cistigat cu gazul...

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Inca ceva, aceleasi prezentari ale firmelor de instalatii gaz mint ca consumul este cu 10% mai mare decit pe benzina cind de fapt, constat cam cu 17%. Adica informati lor e deformata cu +70%, ceea ca ma intriga. Pe voi nu?

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post 2 Jun 2008, 12:37
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Pai toate aceste date furnizate sunt testate in anumite conditii ... De aceea consumul dat de producator este mai mic, etc.


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Salut, ma intereseaza un logan 1.6 pe gpl, am si eu o intrebare, imi cer scuze daca a mai fost pusa dar nu am stat sa citesc toate cele 43 de pagini. Pentru masinile care vin cu gpl din fabrica consumul indicat de computerul de bord este real? Am mers recent cu unul si consumul indicat de computerul de bord a fost de 7l/100km, extraurban, cea ce mi se pare foarte bine avand in vedere ca masina era in rodaj si erau 5 persoane, viteza a fost intre 60-100.


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Nu. CB arata consumul pentru benzina.

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La consumul aratat de CB, pentru GPL, se adauga in medie un litru pentru a afla cantitatea de GPL consumata.

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chiar 1 litru si ceva. aproape 1,5l


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@ gabau86 : pentru reducere consum iti recomand urmatoarele :
1-nu mai alimenta de la skid-ul Universal Service Braila ; multi vand butan 100% in aceasta perioada si nu amestec butan+propan asa cum ar trebui ; GPL adevarat costa cu 40-50 mii lei mai mult / rezervor dar ai dinamica si consum OK.
2-schimba filtrul de aer dupa lunile octombrie si aprilie (praf mult pe drumurile noastre...)
3-schimba vitezele la 2800-3200 rpm cu curaj ! 1.6MPI are alte curbe de putere !
4-dupa primii 1.000 km trebuie refacuta calibrarea. Explicatie : membranele de cauciuc din regulator (plaman) sufera o deformatie plastica ce se finalizeaza dupa 800-1000 km, motiv pt. care calibrarea initiala nu mai este ok !

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QUOTE(MoToR @ 2 Jun 2008, 20:51)
@ gabau86 : pentru reducere consum iti recomand urmatoarele :
1-nu mai alimenta de la skid-ul Universal Service Braila ; multi vand butan 100% in aceasta perioada si nu amestec butan+propan asa cum ar trebui ; GPL adevarat costa cu 40-50 mii lei mai mult / rezervor dar ai dinamica si consum OK.
2-schimba filtrul de aer dupa lunile octombrie si aprilie (praf mult pe drumurile noastre...)
3-schimba vitezele la 2800-3200 rpm cu curaj ! 1.6MPI are alte curbe de putere !
4-dupa primii 1.000 km trebuie refacuta calibrarea. Explicatie : membranele de cauciuc din regulator (plaman) sufera o deformatie plastica ce se finalizeaza dupa 800-1000 km, motiv pt. care calibrarea initiala nu mai este ok !

Bafta ! si asteptam rezultatele...
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ms de sfaturi, acum sincer nu mai alimentez de pe buzauluio, alimentez de undeva de pe la tug, o sa incerc sa schimb vit pe la 2800-3200, si dupaia o sa va comunci, acum momentan nu am idee cat gaz mai am dar dupa ce o sal termin sa sa bag 5 l si o sa vda cat am plib


p.s. filtru de are lam schimbat acum cateva zile, k am facut revizia, iar instalatia are mai mult de 3000km

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