I open this topic with the hope and request not to be closed by the men in charge with this site. I simply wish for an improved version of Logan maybe at the next face-lift in two years time. I invite everybody to add some things they would like for Logan or things they believe are necessary for this car. For example some improvements have already been done such as: the 1,6 16v engine, the side airbags, the trunk button, the larger mirrors (unfortunately only for the Prestige version), improved upholstery, rims, leather steering wheel and gear lever etc. I would presonally like: - bigger wheels such 16'' (at least optional) and more to the outside of the car. - a nicer steering wheel like the one in the new Twingo, optional with some radio or cruise controls - rear breakes with disk and not with the drum. (would look much nicer and would be much safer) at least optional - automatic climate control (optional) - automatic transmission (optional) they can put something from Renault - maybe xenon lights for the real fans of this model (optional) - different door handles both outside and inside like in the Renault models. - I expect for the future more powerful dci engines both 85 hp and 105 hp but I personally have much faith in the gasoline engine 1,6 16 v. they can add to it 5 or 10 hp in the future and I wish they put a silvery cover on it like Renault has (the actual black cover looks very dull) now it's your turn to propose improvements for Logan and let's hope somebody from Dacia factory will read it and take notes. please do not exagerate with your ideas, let's keep it real. besides I already have exagerated enough...

I would personally like:

windscreen wiper on the back of the Logan sedan

Foldable backseats 1/3 and 2/3 with access to the trunk of the sedan

variable adjustable speed of the windscreenwiper

actual gas-consumption should be back on the OBC !! As it was before 2007 !!

and get away these stupid sounds that you hear when you turn left or right...


And for Stu ( only for him) a Dacia with a steeringwheel on the right side of the car.....

Best regards, Daciafreak

first two choices will be available on the Hatchback model.
the third and the fourth requests are of common sense, they should have never been eliminated the actual gas consumption but I believe too many stupid people complained about the consumption (not knowing how to use the OBC)

-I remembered something, it is necessary and i believe it will exist in the future, the LPG version.
-I also wish for the Logan and the next Dacia models better upholstery materials like Reanault has.

I just hope that the Logan can still be built to the price range as it is today
BUT !!
The workers i Rumania are not that daft as to work for peanuts .
They will want more pay and thus the price of the car will rise
I agree with the rear disk brakes and i would like to have soundproofing through out the car
OH yes and the steering wheel on the right side
Stu

A Logan Ambiance owner from Estonia seconds that!

I hope Logan stays what it is, and its pricing stays what it is, with reasonable corrections , of course, due to corrections in living standard of Romanians. So that in five, six years I could replace my now 6 months old Ambiance with a new simple and reliable car. No 20" wheels needed. There already are lots of fancy cars for fancy people, from Ferrari to Hummer to Rolls Royce.

This post has been edited by Uri: 9 Mar 2007, 15:26

I totally agree with you Uri. the price level is Logan's best argument. I believe we all hope the price won't rise. in fact at the beginning they had to assure the profit after investing in the Dacia plant but nobody expected such a success. they are working on good profit since a couple of years. besides the Logan model is expanding all over the world. I just hope for these improvements as the time passes by. even if they fit the car with lots of optionals it will still be much cheaper than other makes. at the actual price we can only buy very small cars with not too many optionals and with very weak engines.

why not having a more consistent list of optionals (starting from the actual models) for those who want more from Logan? there is still a lot of room for improvements and if they want to keep it in production, they will have to keep improving it.

a better looking steering wheel doesn't have to be more expensive than the actual one. They could also be more careful with the body treatment because many people have problems with the paint and rust. this is not normal in a modern and international car.

I believe DACIAFREAK is talking about the noises in the fuel tank. this a a thing that can be easily improved. there are still lots of things like that and not only...

best regards

haha
Daciafreak is talking about the indicator beep beep beeps
Stu

haha!
that sucks too, man. it's annoying for me also, especially when I double park waiting in the car or things like that and I have to stand that sound more than a few seconds. they wanted to add to the car a "high tech touch" but it's really annoying. the first days one has the car it seems OK but later one gets to miss the old TIC-TAC sound.

Cheers

I insist on safety standards (ESP optional) and I think a nicer steering wheel would do fine.

My personal wish would be a version with an ethanol engine

And no dramatic increases in price

We will almost surely have a LPG version I believe soon enough. Is ethanol cheaper than LPG? do you have ethanol delivered at (all) the stations in Spain? I doubt it. But I know you have LPG and at least in Romania it's half the gasoline price. Besides with Logan's trunk , no need to worry about the LPG tank. (you can fit it with a small one instead the spare wheel.)

So, here we are talking about what we don't like?!

First, and most of all, I miss the 5th door!! I am really very surprised that the version with 5 doors didn't follow the sedan very soon after the introduction of the car. And I don't mean something like complete redesign in true hatchback style, only a mild change to extend the lid of the trunk up to include the rear window. Of course, it means also the changes of the back seats design. As much as Logan's trunk is amongst the largest in it's class, it has limited versatility, because the average family has also the need to move around something bigger from time to time, like, say, refrigerator, or TV, or just a couple of pairs of skis... I don't need an MCV for such rare occasions, but, oh boy, I could use the 5th door!!!

Apart from that, regarding the design of the existing model, the front grill, and in fact the whole front side could be a little more avant-garde, in accordance with current Renault style. As for the interior, I hope the sides of the doors will be redesigned, that bulge for elbow support is too big and spoils the overall interior design. Or at least, the space there could be used better, for some hidden compartments, which generally lack in the cabin.

I also join those who ask for the return of the immediate consumption indication on the OBC, those who think that rear-view mirrors are too small, and those who cannot wonder enough why the feature of automatic wipers start after activating the front window washing pump is not present, when all the necessary software is already included, as we could see right on this forum (and even learned how to activate it ). There is also in my opinion no good reason why the sedan doesn't need a rear window wiper.

Unlike some people here, I don't mind the sound indication of the direction lights, I'm so used to them that I don't even hear them In fact, at higher speeds/revs, the noise masks their sound, and you're only left with visual indication on the dashboard, which can be very poorly visible in some circumstances. Indication lamps could generally be brighter, or the dashboard better shaded. They are especially poorly visible if the headlights are on, as the whole dashboard is dimmed than, and many countries now demand by law that the headlights are on at all times. Light intensity of the dashboard should have manual control.

There are million other little things that could be improved, once you start thinking about it, like audible warning for at least driver's seatbelt for example, etc etc, that do not necessarily mean the increase of the price of the car.

But the chance was missed, as Logan has already been redesigned for the 2007 season. I like the most things that were changed, but a lot more could have been done.

And what do you people think, after the success of the mid-sized Logan and bigger MCV version, should there be a "little brother" street car to follow the path, maybe even 2-seater ? For the price of, say, well under 5000 Euros ? Dacia style version of Twingo, for modest (let's not use the word "poor") people...

g100sic

"Indication lamps could generally be brighter, or the dashboard better shaded. They are especially poorly visible if the headlights are on, as the whole dashboard is dimmed than, and many countries now demand by law that the headlights are on at all times. Light intensity of the dashboard should have manual control."
you are perfectly right about that. this observation goes for other makes of cars too.

"that bulge for elbow support is too big and spoils the overall interior design. Or at least, the space there could be used better, for some hidden compartments, which generally lack in the cabin."
right again, a storage space with a lid like Megane has but with a door handle also, not that stupid hole that Logan has.

you will surely have a rear wiper on the hatchbak version. Besides that we discuss (on the Romanian forum) the opportunity for a shorter Break model on the sedan's platform. it could also cost 1000 euros less than the actual MCV and in some people's opinion it would look better than the MCV.

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there is a rumour also that Dacia prepares a smaller car too. some people say they saw it but we are not sure if what they saw was the hatchback or a completely new model. they say it doesn't look like a Logan sedan. other headlights, etc...

Just this afternoon something crossed my mind to check on my Logan's doors... and I was surprised to find out that there were not even cat-eye reflectors on the inside edge as a warning indicator in the dark that the door is open! If a plastic part was too much, even a piece of fluorescent tape, or a patch of paint could do the trick.

Even my old Lada Samara had that!

@Kits

The picture you posted shows a caravan style design, which in my opinion is too similar to the MCV and is therefore an unnecessary member in the Logan models lineup. I was hoping to something more like a sedan design, only with smoother rear line, extended and more rounded rear window and shorter metal part of the trunk lid comprising together an integrated rear door, for example. But not ridiculously shortened, as seen on a couple of "spy" photos of some test model.

I have in fact seen somewhere a picture (computer generated, of course) of such design, on the internet maybe, but more likely in one of Serbian auto-magazines.

i know exactly what you mean, the shorter break version was not as an answer to your request but as an option of a new version. there is a long discussion on the Romanian lgg forum about it. it's better to have a wider range where to choose from.

you would like the fifth door like Skoda Octavia has or a distinction between two models almost identical like Ford Mondeo has or with a small difference like Opel Vectra has. these two last models have both variant of bodies with 4 and 5 doors. would be nice if Dacia will also fulfill your wish.

That is generally the idea, the lesser the difference - the better, as I think the sedan's outside lines are already as good as it gets for a unique and distinctive shape. The models you mention are not a direct comparison to Logan though, Fiat Brava would be more appropriate.

Unfortunately, it is too late for my wishes to be fulfilled, I already bought a sedan version, and it is unlikely that I will change it anytime soon, at least for 5-6 years, and then my wishes might be totally different...

In the meantime, I remembered another feature that would be nice to implement in future enhancements of the Logan model. Vertically adjustable driver's seat is OK, but I think that (at least) vertically adjustable steering wheel would be much better solution for driver's comfort. And I believe that could be squeezed within the current pricing, and if not in the cheapest variants, then in higher priced Laureat pack certainly.

Better noise isolation and more or less the same price.

I personally think all the suggestions that have been made really make sense. Nobody has asked for really unnecessary items ( that's right, that's what you have a Ferrari or a Hummer for ) but I'm afraid I have to play the "evil role" in the film now, as far as optionals are concerned.

The problem with the options is that they increase several kinds of production costs dramatically. First you need more Purchasing staff to negotiate prices, then more Quality people to check, more Logistics staff to order the parts, more Aftersales, higher delivery and logistics costs...and more stock in the warehose.

Then your production line is no longer so simple, rate of failures ( and thus warranty costs) increase...and so on.

To make it short, I think it doesn't make sense for Dacia (Renault) to "get themselves into trouble" as far as Logan is regarded and sold as a "budget car"

That's my opinion...just hope Dacia people don't listen to me

Budget car ....Budget Price ....Good Quality .....
What More do you want
You get what you pay for
and we are getting a bargain
Stu

Budget car it is indeed, but a lot of budget improvements can be made on a budget car, and not just cosmetic. Improvements are a sign of a maturity of both the design and the manufacturer, means that they have listened seriously to what their customers had to say, and have responded.

Perfectly good example for this is changed lock on the redesigned trunk lid, which is now a lot more practical with the knob for opening without a key! So, why stop there!? On the other hand, the new shape of the gear handle is more of what I call a cosmetic improvement.

Of course that a budget car doesn't mean no improvements...just I think they should go straight in the series equipment, where the part "X" is replaced by the part "Z" what doesn't change the production line or brings almost any extra costs. I think the policy Dacia is carrying out is the right one; changes and improves the series and keeps the amount of options relatively small, what enables them to keep prices low (although costs and selling prices don't always go hand in hand)

All the best !