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iulik
post 24 Jan 2006, 09:08
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Azi dimineata, pe la 6.30, -19 grade ies si eu sa pornesc berlina. Dau la cheie... nu porneste. Dau la cama (ca-mi tot dispare benzina din carburator si filtru) si porneste. Stau vreo 2 min. cu socul tras, si dupaia plec. Dupa 4 km vad ca temperatura apei se apropie vertiginos de maximum. Opresc, deschid capota, desfac busonul de la bidonul de apa si vad ca iasa abur, apa fiind sub minimum. Ma uit la radiator si am vazut ca picura printr-o parte, si se aude si un fasait, ca si cum ar scapa aer, dar nu stiu pe unde. E clar ca radiatorul s-a spart, dar altceva ce ar putea avea? Antigel avea, dar cred ca s-a cristalizat. (?) Oare sa aiba ceva si pe la blocul motor? sad.gif Nu am vazut sa curga apa!

Intrebare:
Cum se poate produce fenomenul asta? Am facut schimbul de antigel cu 1:1.
Ar putea fi probleme pe la blocul motor?
Ce alte probleme ar putea fi?

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post 24 Jan 2006, 09:48
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1:1??? pe ce lume traiesti?
Antigelul ingheata la -14 grade, diluat cu apa in proportie de 50/50 la -37, scoate-l repede ca e bocna, fa o proba daca crezi ca vorbesc prostii..baga antigel pur in congelator..o sa fie bocna dupa cateva ore wink.gif


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post 24 Jan 2006, 09:50
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QUOTE(argon @ 24 Jan 2006, 12:48)
1:1??? pe ce lume traiesti?
Antigelul ingheata la -14 grade, diluat cu apa in proportie de 50/50 la -37, scoate-l repede ca e bocna, fa o proba daca crezi ca vorbesc prostii..baga antigel pur in congelator..o sa fie bocna dupa cateva ore wink.gif
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cum zici? 1:1 <> 50/50 ? "pe ce lume traiesti"? radmasa.gif


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post 24 Jan 2006, 09:53
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Ce ziceti? Pai antigelul concentrat (asa scrie pe bidon, asa ii zic si eu) ingheata la -40 parca.


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post 24 Jan 2006, 09:56
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La etilen-glicol:
- amestec 50% antigel 50% apa - ingheata la -37C
- amestec 70% antigel 30% apa - ingheata la -64C
- amestec 100% antigel 0 % apa - ingheata la -14C - Atentie mare.

La propilen-glicol:
- amestec 50% antigel 50% apa - ingheata la -32C
- amestec 60% antigel 40% apa - ingheata la -47C
- amestec 100% antigel 0 % apa - ingheata la -57C
Sursa: Klaus


LA cel cu -14 grade am incercat personal, tinut in concelator la -18 o noapte era cam bocna..


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post 24 Jan 2006, 09:57
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Concluzie: folositi proportia 60% antigel- 40% apa wink.gif, la oricare din variante si nu sunt probleme

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post 24 Jan 2006, 09:58
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De la ce se poate auzi un fasait? Si cand accelerez se aude mai accentuat!


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post 24 Jan 2006, 09:59
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QUOTE(mihait @ 24 Jan 2006, 09:53)
"Antigelul ingheata la -14 grade, diluat cu apa in proportie de 50/50 la -37"

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Intr-adevar, teoria spune ca punctul de inghet al antigelului pur este mult mai ridicat decat cel al antigelului diluat in proportie de 1:1 cu apa (la un litru de antigel - un litru de apa).

Daca imi amintesc corect, are legatura cu intercalarea moleculelor de apa intre molecule de antigel, rezultand o caracteristica superioara a manifestarii la inghet.

Daca ma insel eu, imi cer scuze.


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post 24 Jan 2006, 10:01
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de unde ai luat antigelul si ce culoare e?
ca si mie mi-a inghetat si acum e inghetat si am antigel 8 litri din 12 si pe sticla zicea ca rezista pana la -39 grade
nu stiu cum sa fac sa il scot:(


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post 24 Jan 2006, 10:02
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Galben, verde-fosforescent.


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post 24 Jan 2006, 10:50
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al meu e rosu:(


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post 24 Jan 2006, 11:27
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Confuzie mare p aci! wacko.gif

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post 24 Jan 2006, 12:42
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La mine antigelul e bleu-albastru in sticle asa l-am cumparat de la magazin si l-am bagat in proportie de 1 la 1 meci egal. Nu a castigat nimeni.


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post 24 Jan 2006, 13:05
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Acum trebuie sa ma duc sa-mi lipeasca radiatorul. Ce sa fac. Asta este! Fuck.... ph34r.gif


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post 24 Jan 2006, 16:17
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daca tot ne laudam tongue.gif :eu am din ala albastrui (la vreo 6 lei litrul). 50/50 cu apa si la ~-20 cat e zilele astea nu a inghetat. s-a facut marmelada in schimb uleiul de cutie.


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post 24 Jan 2006, 16:58
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QUOTE(Dani_E21 @ 24 Jan 2006, 10:01)
ca si mie mi-a inghetat si acum e inghetat si am antigel 8 litri din 12 si pe sticla zicea ca rezista pana la -39 grade ; nu stiu cum sa fac sa il scot:(
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unde naiba gasiti antigel din asta ? bine ca ti-ai dat seama la timp; pai nu prea ai cum sa-l scoti decit luind masina la stanga si ducind-o intr-un garaj la caldurica;
Nu va mai luati dupa etichete si mergeti pe minim 60/40 daca nu antigel pur....


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post 24 Jan 2006, 20:21
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Nici antigelul pur nu e ok, va avea de suferit pompa de apa!


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post 24 Jan 2006, 20:27
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PAI CARE E ........... CARE PUNE NUMAI ANTIGEL CONCENTRAT IN MOTOR?

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post 24 Jan 2006, 21:00
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Da, deci cum ?

In concluzie, daca punem 50-50 ar trebui sa fie ok si pentru pompa si pentru frig, nu?


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post 24 Jan 2006, 21:01
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QUOTE(costi @ 24 Jan 2006, 16:58)
Nu va mai luati dupa etichete si mergeti pe minim 60/40  daca nu antigel pur....
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@amc: La recomandarea asta ma refeream !

@eXtenSion:
In concluzie te uiti pe eticheta si-l amesteci conform instructiunilor de acolo .
Ai sa vezi ca iti spune: pentru a rezista la -X grade -> Y parti antigel, Z parti apa.

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post 24 Jan 2006, 21:11
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mai, ma bag si io ca aia in ailanta: parca asa stiam ca ce se vinde drept "antigel concentrat" e de fapt amestec 1:1 de apa si glicol SI NU glicol pur, asa ca amestecul vostru de 1:1 e de fapt de 1:4 in favoarea apei.

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