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Gundo
post 15 May 2006, 17:10
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Hello !
Sorry, I can't speak romainian, so i have to write in english.
I own a new Double Cab 4x4 Diesel, built in September 2005.
The car has a OBD-II connector (or better: seems to has one).
I tried different diagnostic computers (Gutmann, ELM) but they did not recognize the car and could not read any data. Even the main Renault-Dealer here in Hamburg was not able to read any data from the car (n.b.: the papuc is officially not imported and not selled in germany).
I already analyzed the OBD socket: the cable/pin connection seems not to match to any standard...

Does anyone know, how to connect the papuc to a diagnostic computer ? Do I need a special cable (for example with a different pin connection) ? Do I need a special software ? What protocol is used: ISO, SAE, PWM, VPW, CAN (I tried them all...) ?

The car is running, but its better to solve this problem now... smile.gif

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post 15 May 2006, 17:19
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have they tried EOBD protocol ?


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post 15 May 2006, 18:03
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Yes, my diagnostic adapter and software is able to read all OBD-II an EOBD protocolls.
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post 15 May 2006, 18:52
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Something odd here: the papuc has a mechanical injection system, the engine does not have a computer (it's 20 years old), so why would they fit an OBD socket?


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post 15 May 2006, 20:46
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the F8Q engine from the "sliper"( radmasa.gif ) has a computer(ECU) =>Lucas Diesel DPCN1 Diesel management.

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post 18 May 2006, 09:58
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OK, I solved the problem:
The new papuc has a modern OBD System, its "EOBD (Europe)". Transmission code is ISO 14230-4 KWP 2000 (5 Baud init).
The car (or let's better say: the type of car) is not recognized by german OBD software, because this car is simply unknown in germany. But it was wrong to stop the tests at this point ! I simply had to go on:
It is anyway possible, to read out the OBD data: load index, speed, motor-RpM, air temperature and water temperature. And it is possible, to read out the error codes (if there are any).
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post 18 May 2006, 10:32
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der Motor ist nicht der selbe wie bei Renault?


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post 18 May 2006, 13:55
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argon seems to have problems with the german language...
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Yes and no. The motor is a F8Q, but the subtype is 636. This subtype exists only in Dacia cars. It differs in injection pump and in the electronic management (ECU) from the F8Q motors used in Kangoo or Clio.
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