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post 6 Mar 2010, 15:44
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Salutare! De curand, tot uitandu-ma dupa o Dacia papuc, am gasit doua anunturi in care se spunea ca pt. cuplarea fata se foloseste o a doua maneta, la fel ca la Aro 10, si nu sistemul electrovacumatic (cred ca este termenul corect). Nu era o greseala de redactare, intr-unul din anunturi chiar existand o poza cu maneta impricinata.
Asa stand lucrurile, supun atentiei voastre acest subiect pt. dezbatere, in speranta ca se vor gasi persoane care chiar stiu despre ce este vorba, in sensul ca au avut/condus asa ceva. Multumesc!


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post 6 Mar 2010, 17:22
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e o carpeala, sistemul ala cu buton pentru cuplaj din fabrica tine fix cateva cuplari si decuplari, pe urma se face o gaura in podea si se adapteaza taraneste comanda directa.


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post 6 Mar 2010, 20:14
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o ruda are un papuc 4x4 , de hat multi ani (cred ca 5-6 ani) si sincer nu l-am auzit plangandu-se ca nu ii merge butonul ala. Motor diesel (parca ala de 1,9).


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post 7 Mar 2010, 10:46
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butonul merge, cuplajul nu, oricum daca nu-l folosesti normal ca 'merge'...pe asfalt nu poti sa-l folosesti ca nu mai ai directie, e ca jipurile din anii '30-'40...tehnologia Dacia.


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post 7 Mar 2010, 15:12
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pe asfalt n-am condus papuc dizal cu 4x4 cuplat, dar chiar asa sa fie? diferentialele ce pazesc? unsure.gif


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post 7 Mar 2010, 18:44
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faptul ca nu are diferential central echivaleaza cu folosirea sistemului 4x4 numai in afara soselei.


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post 7 Mar 2010, 18:49
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se blocheaza ambele diferentiale la sistemu ala si de aici lipsa directie smile.gif .
adica directie ai da o sa se invarta ambele roti cu aceasi viteza si derapezi tongue.gif


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post 7 Mar 2010, 19:18
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Defapt , toate 4 rotile se invart cu aceeasi viteza , nu doar 2 ! smile.gif


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post 7 Mar 2010, 19:22
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nu se blocheaza niciun diferential


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post 7 Mar 2010, 19:43
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QUOTE(cosmin_2300 @ 7 Mar 2010, 19:18)
Defapt , toate 4 rotile se invart cu aceeasi viteza , nu doar 2 ! smile.gif
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diferentialul spate functioneaza bine oricum, e in punte, nu stie daca e cuplata fata sau nu, problema e pe fata, poti lua curbele doar foarte larg si cu scart, si nu daca esti sfrijit, trebuie ceva forta la volan.


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post 7 Mar 2010, 19:49
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Catalin a spus ca se invart 2 roti cu aceeasi viteza .... in 4*4 se invart toate 4 cu aceeasi viteza ... smile.gif

L.E. : argon , vrei sa spui ca atunci cand cupleaza 4*4 , diferentialul spate nu se blocheaza ?!

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post 7 Mar 2010, 19:59
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dacia papuc nu are sistem de blocare al vreunui diferential.
cu acel buton din bord se cupleaza fata.


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post 7 Mar 2010, 20:26
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Pai stai sa-nteleg si eu ..... pe fata e diferential blocat si pe spate "liber" ?


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post 7 Mar 2010, 20:42
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ce e asa incurcat biggrin.gif ?

cand apesi butonu ala activezi fata care e blocata ,daia nu mai ai directie . spatele ramane liber .are tractiune in continuare.nu exista difuri debloncate blocante.

e un fel de lock dif da permanent pe fata

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post 7 Mar 2010, 20:51
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Eu am crezut ca se blocheaza si spatele .... vorba lui argon ... deh ... tehnologie Dacia ... sleep.gif


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post 7 Mar 2010, 20:52
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nu e range tongue.gif


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post 7 Mar 2010, 20:56
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nici pe fata nu se blocheaza diferentialul!!!


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post 7 Mar 2010, 20:57
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bine idea e ca puntea e facuta intru mod ciudat,e un exemplu de exprimare tongue.gif ''dif lock''

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ATI BATUT CAMPII TOTII , nu are cum sa aiba difu din cutie blocat pt ca nu mai lua curbele nici cu 4x4 decuplat,
in cutie e un diferential normal deblocat cu sateliti -adica in functie de aderenta ala trimite toata forta rotii care are mai putina aderenta

masina e pusa in miscare decat de 2 roti- una din puntea fata/si a 2a din puntea spate

diferentialele blocabile sunt folosite doar cativa metri pana scapi din necaz/ papucu nefiind dotat cu asa ceva nu e cazu sa le pomeniti




@argon /eu doar "v-am " readus la realitate" referitor la offtopic

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post 7 Mar 2010, 21:03
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QUOTE(cosmin_2300 @ 7 Mar 2010, 20:26)
Pai stai sa-nteleg si eu ..... pe fata e diferential blocat si pe spate "liber" ?
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dacia papuc nu a avut diferential blocabil din fabrica ,de la acel buton din bord se cupleaza rotile din fata cand butonul nu este apasat rotile nu sunt cuplate trage numa spatele daca se merge cu 4x4 cuplat pe suprafata tare se risca spargerea transmisie


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post 7 Mar 2010, 21:53
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QUOTE(ct-03-tvy @ 7 Mar 2010, 21:00)
ATI BATUT CAMPII TOTII ,  nu are cum sa aiba difu din cutie blocat pt ca nu mai lua curbele nici cu 4x4 decuplat,
in cutie e un diferential normal deblocat cu sateliti -adica in functie de aderenta ala trimite toata forta rotii care are mai putina aderenta

masina e pusa in miscare decat de 2 roti- una din puntea fata/si a 2a din puntea spate  

diferentialele blocabile sunt folosite doar cativa metri pana scapi din necaz/ papucu nefiind dotat cu asa ceva  nu e cazu sa le pomeniti
@argon   /eu doar "v-am " readus la realitate" referitor la offtopic
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ultima oara cand am verificat trageauambele roti fata(motivul pentru care nu poti lua curbele pe asfalt), observabil in zapada, noroi. unsure.gif

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