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post 2 Feb 2008, 01:08
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Pacat de masinuta aia sad.gif .Cat sa muncit la ea si trebuia sa o distruga niste idioti in cateva secunde.

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Oare SGM nu se oftica de timpul pierdut ... ma mir cum i-a dat masina la un pusti stia bine ca masina e preparata pentru curse nu pentru a se da pusti de 19 ani prin bucuresti. Eu zic ca e inconstienta asa m-a lovit pe mine un bosorog de la RBU a lu prigoana ce soferi mai are si asta. Rusinica. Da pacat de masina ca pe multi cu masini straine i-a inebunit.


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QUOTE(mad toz @ 2 Feb 2008, 12:24)
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post 8 Feb 2008, 20:08
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Stie cineva ce modificari implica montarea unui motor de Golf 2 Gti pe o Dacie Nova?
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Cea din pozele 2 si 6 alearga si acum la VTM.
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post 9 Feb 2008, 17:43
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Nova lui Nea Puiu cu motor de VW facea treaba. Aia cu motor "de familie" cu carburatoare e slabuta


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post 9 Feb 2008, 18:58
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post 10 Feb 2008, 15:33
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Cea din pozele 2 si 6 alearga si acum la VTM.
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CEA DIN POZELE 2 SI 6 APARTINEA LUI VIOREL OBREJAN
IN PREZENT LUI CALIN POENARIU SI MECANIC VIOREL OBREJAN
ARE MOTOR WOLKSWAGEN 1,6 16V REPARAT IN GERMANIA (APROX. 200 CP)
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post 12 Feb 2008, 13:16
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post 13 Feb 2008, 21:06
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PANA LA MPI CU MULTICLAPETA A AVUT SI 2L CU CARBELITOARE, DECI SE POATE SI LA ALTII.


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post 13 Feb 2008, 22:13
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Se poate face cu clapete de la motociclete aceasi lucru, diferenta realtiv mica intre carburatoare de 45 si clapete separate, asta in putere.
Singura problema cu carburatoarele e ca petnru fiecare densitatea a aerului trebue resetat (deci nu tine cont de inaltima)


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post 14 Feb 2008, 10:33
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ma dar la injectie are un debitmetru nu? La multiclapeta de unde stie ecu cata benzina sa bage?


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post 14 Feb 2008, 11:10
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QUOTE(madmaxtata @ 14 Feb 2008, 10:33)
ma dar la injectie are un debitmetru nu? La multiclapeta de unde stie ecu cata benzina sa bage?
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post 14 Feb 2008, 21:21
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pai si unde e amplasat?


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post 15 Feb 2008, 01:35
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MAP sensor are injectia aia cu multiclapteta , nu MAF (debitmetru)

MAP- mainfold absolute presure

MAF- mainfold air flow

Daca tin minte bine abreviarile

Unele motoarele au si map si maf. depinde de tipul injectiei.

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post 15 Feb 2008, 09:48
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Ar putea sa aiba bine merci senzori de presiune si temperatura, sau doar cu ce da sonda lambda. Si asa o masina de raliu are dozaj bogat in majoritatea regimurilor de functionare.


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post 15 Feb 2008, 12:07
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scuze are senzor de presiune si senzor de pozitie a clapetei


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post 15 Feb 2008, 14:06
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In plimul rand, la masinile de compatitie nu se pun sonda lambda (in general), in rest absolit tot se pune, MAP, senzori de temperatura, senzor la clapete, senzor la arbore/axa cu came si cam atat, in rest daca mai pui incarca calculatotul si face prostii, ori limitezi efectul lor si tot nu fac nimic...
Ori cum lmabda si knoc senzori nu fac o corectie mai mare decat pana la 7-8% pe map-ul deja facut, dar daca asta o face in cursa...popate sa creeze problema, asta din cauza a schimbarii foarte repede a slocitarii motorului.
Deci fam mai mult rau decat de bine.

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post 15 Feb 2008, 15:52
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electronicele inteligente au si MAP si MAF si TPS (care stie pozitia clapetei, ca mai e un model care stie doar cand e full sau cand atingi acceleratia) si lambda si temp motor, temp aer admisie, senzor detonatie, etc smile.gif

Apropo de amestec bogat, din experienta la sub 13.5 amestec stoichiometric, am inregistrat pierderi de putere. E cel mai sigur amestec asta pt motoare supra-alimentate.


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La turbo, daca amestecul e prea sarac, pe langa detonatii mai frigi si turbina din cauza cresterii EGT. Asa ca mai bogat e mai sigur, si lambda 0,9 e cel de P max.


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lambda de 0.9 la aspirate sau la supraalimentate, pentru puterea maxima?


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turbo. la aspiratie cam 0.75 daca tin minte bine.


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Sunteti cam derutati cu amestecul. Fie care motor are, si functioneaza in parametri lui.
De exemplu camera de ardere, conteaza unde e bujia (daca e in centru sau nu), numarul supapelor, cum sunt astea asezate, compresia efectiva (nu cel pe care mesori), finisarea camerei de ardere, cum e facut pistoenele...e lunga lista.
Cuvantul cheie e compresia efficienta, deci compresia care apare cand motorul e in fnctionare, ca atuncea din cauza inertiei gazelor, cilindrea e umplut cu mai mult amestec decat daca e stationar motorul, asta rezulta ca amestecul trebue sa scada (mai multa benzina ca este mai mult oxigen). Asta este mai mare la motoarele cu supraalimentare, de asta au un potential de tuning mai mare.
Cam atat despre amestec...daca cinva face la o valoare anumita...mai bine nu.

Acuma depinde despre ce masini vorbim, asta e sectie de masini de competitie...presupun ca nu e locul sa discutam despre masini / ecu care folosesc la strada.

La masini de competitie ECU-ul este programat altfel decat la cele de strada, si nu au nevoie de multe senzoare. Aici nu conteaza daca tine pe termen lung motorul, sau cat consuma. Conteaza sa tine cateva etape si sa mearga perfect tot timpul.
De asta o data facut un softul nu se mai modifica numai la service, el insusi nu corecteaza din valoare de EGT/Lambda/sau temperaturi. Asta din cauza ca computerul nu este atat de promt (mai bine zis din cauza sondelor) incat sa poate actioan cand trebue, tot timpul are un delay ... asta la masinile de strada nu conteaza ... de asta consuma putin si tin mult motoarele, la masinile de competitie insa fac mai mult rau decat de bine. Din cauza acestor corecti poate sa apare stuati in care amestecul ar trebuia sa fie bogat si e sarac (valabil si invers). Cauze...daca e prea bogat curata peretele cilindreei si eventual se acumpeaza la supapa, daca e sarac face detonatii si temperatura creste foarte mult.


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