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luk199
post 9 May 2005, 15:51
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Have any of you had a problem with clutch or gearbox in logan 1.4?
I have some - when my engine rich normal work temperature then at stop without any gear set - then I hear some strange noise - something like working diesel engine only quiet (from the gearbox)- when i push the clutch it stops. I have only 3kkm driven - and service said that this is because everything have to fit to each other, and bearing in the clutch is made of teflon - but I'm concerning.


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post 9 May 2005, 16:02
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Don't worry this is "normal"; get used to it; it's the clutch.
The story started with the previous model "Solenza" and unfortunatelly continues with Logan. On that case it seemed to be a faulty designing.
Some Solenzas had their clutches replaced on warranty but the noise continued even with the new clutch (made by the same procer).
Anyway keep an eye on it if it becomes noisier.

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post 10 May 2005, 09:08
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This problem it is common also for Renault Clio Symbol!!!!....


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post 14 May 2005, 19:05
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AL,10 May 2005, 09:08

Clio is "By Renault", too ... biggrin.gif
I have the same problem luk199 ... It is very common. Just press the clutch and it will dissappear ...


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post 6 Jun 2005, 22:52
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it might be also the pressure roll bearing witch is not firmly closed to the pressure plate. go to the service


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post 6 Jun 2005, 23:45
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If the noise sounds "metallic" or "squeaky" consider a visit to the service, otherwise if it's just "diesel noise" just ignore it. My car has the diesel noise also. Same problem was experienced with Clio Symbol and Solenza, they all had the same type of clutch (Valeo). It just seems like the belgium "Valeo" clutches are of poor quality.

P.S. I have been told that one way to see if the clutch is really faulty (it is "skidding") is to go on a "normal" cruise, shift up to the last gear(normally passing from 1 to 2, from 2 to 3 and so on...) and put the pedal to the metal (go full throttle). If the engine throttles and the car doesn't speed up or speeds up very slowly then the clutch is "skidding" and you need to go to the service. I really doubt however that this will occur soon in a new car...

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post 7 Jun 2005, 20:43
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QUOTE(Illusi0n @ 6 Jun 2005, 23:45)
P.S. I have been told that one way to see if the clutch is really faulty (it is "skidding") is to  go on a "normal" cruise, shift up to the last gear(normally passing from 1 to 2, from 2 to 3 and so on...) and put the pedal to the metal (go full throttle). If the engine throttles and the car doesn't speed up or speeds up very slowly then the clutch is "skidding" and you need to go to the service. I really doubt however that this will occur soon in a new car...
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Having read this I think that my clutch if faulty biggrin.gif

Now to be serious, the Logan goes well but the accelleration is really bad. I had a better acceleration with my 65 HP fiesta, than with the Logan. Once it gets going it goes fine.

I made 820 km this weekend on vaious roads, a lot of hills an mounatins. I'm pleased with the car, specially on some horriblle roads, but the accelleration is poor.


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post 7 Jun 2005, 20:55
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Boris, that test should be done with just you in the car, no luggage(trunk empty), no trailer attached. And yes, on a flat road, don't try this while climbing up hills or coming down a slope. You'll get false results... I agree with you that Logan's acceleration doesn't stand out. Even with my old Dacia 1300 I had better start in the 1st gear.
But believe me, I ran this test on both the old 1300 (in which I suspected clutch problems) and on the Logan.
On the old 1300 the engine throttled and I thought it was going to burst until the car moved. Faulty clutch...
On the Logan however it just hummed a bit and then it started to gain speed. Clutch OK...

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post 7 Jun 2005, 22:58
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QUOTE(Illusi0n @ 7 Jun 2005, 20:55)
Boris, that test should be done with just you in the car, no luggage(trunk empty), no trailer attached. And yes, on a flat road, don't try this while climbing up hills or coming down a slope. You'll get false results... I agree with you that Logan's acceleration doesn't stand out. Even with my old Dacia 1300 I had better start in the 1st gear.
But believe me, I ran this test on both the old 1300 (in which I suspected clutch problems) and on the Logan.
On the old 1300 the engine throttled and I thought it was going to burst until the car moved. Faulty clutch...
On the Logan however it just hummed a bit and then it started to gain speed. Clutch OK...
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Offcourse I'm not going to floor the gas pedal on some mountain roads biggrin.gif

I think the car is OK, and there is nothing wrong with the clutch so far. But in the low gears the car is a bit lazy.


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post 7 Jun 2005, 23:02
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Yeah, that's what I said, too. Before the clutch problem on the 1300 I had a better start in the 1st gear. However the gearbox of the Logan is not built for fast acceleration... Nevermind that. Just enjoy the car, as I do. So far I've had only minor problems, but I only have 2900 km.

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post 9 Jun 2005, 09:59
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I agree with you boys that acceleration is somewhat slow .
Obviously & unfortunately,LGN isn`t made for racing when traffic lights
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post 9 Jun 2005, 12:29
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There is absolutly no problem with the clutch. The noise is common to almost all Logan's!!!!


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post 15 Jun 2005, 16:05
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Yes, I can confirm, that the 'diesel' sound is also present on Clio, too. I mean both on Clio Symbol and Bicorp.
You can hear it even more pronounced if you turn on the lights, the AC - more consumers, more 'diesel' sound. I've seen the cluch in pieces because of this problem - beside the sound nothing bad happens.


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post 15 Jun 2005, 16:08
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About the poor acceleration: these engines like revs, I mean it starts to live from 3500 rpm up. Just check how is the acceleretion at 4000-4500 rpm, I think it pulls all right for the 75hp.


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post 17 Jun 2005, 00:17
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Even poor Yugo 45 has better acceleration in first & second gear...with all his 903ccm.
Yes,it`s model that is mentioned in several famous songs & movies.. wink.gif


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post 17 Jun 2005, 07:28
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QUOTE(mccoy @ 17 Jun 2005, 00:17)
Even poor Yugo 45 has better acceleration in first & second gear...with all his 903ccm.
Yes,it`s model that is mentioned in several famous songs & movies.. wink.gif
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True, true biggrin.gif

Specially the part about fame biggrin.gif . There's some of the new ones here allso, not the "Florida" ones, but the "plain" Yugo ones.


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post 23 Oct 2006, 14:12
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I have noticed that my car starts to "yank" when I release clutch pedal. It happens only with loaded car. I suppose problem is clutch cover. When clutch plate is broken car “skidding”, but now accelerates as usually, only there is little, quite unnoticeable “shaking”.
Does anybody has similar problem?



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post 23 Oct 2006, 15:06
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Is not the disc, is not the plate, is the pressure bearing!

If the disc is broken, the car doesn't move at all. If the disc is worned out, the clutch will be skiddin'. If the plate is worned out, either the gearbox will squeak when shifting gears, or you won't be able to shift gears at all.


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post 23 Oct 2006, 18:52
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It is called clutch slipping (not skidding) biggrin.gif a realy good test is to put on your handbrake FULLY!! and put you car into 5th gear then try and pull away excl.gif
If the car stalls it is ok biggrin.gif if it slips then it needs a new clutch plate blink.gif
You should not be needing a new clutch plate yet though they last ages . wacko.gif
But only if you dont RIDE the clutch excl.gif that is to sit with your left foot resting on it .That is Murder mad.gif
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post 24 Oct 2006, 08:19
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No, clutch plate is ok, since I can't start with handbrake. Also there is no noisy in any gear or idle postition, so bearing should be good also.

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post 24 Oct 2006, 10:24
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Is either the fork or the bearing! Something doesn't work properly on the longitudinal axle. Maybe the fork is clogged with dirt and doesn't react promptly when you release the pedal. The same problem could be with the bearing.


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