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post 3 Feb 2013, 17:38
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Va atasez un PDF cu explicatiile, cum se aleg cuzinetii in functie de marcajul de pe vibrochen si biela, respectiv vibrochen si bloc motor. Nu inteleg, ce cuzineti trebuie luati pentru biele si ce cuzineti pentru palier. Daca poate cineva sa inteleaga formula si sa imi spuna ce cuzineti trebuie sa iau, raman recunoscator. Atasez si poze de pe 2 vibrochenuri, care trebuie sa se imperecheze la cuzineti cu o biela ce are marcajul B si cu blocul motor din poza. Numai bine si multumesc anticipat.
Pozele 1 si 2 sunt cu vibrochenurile si ultima poza e cu blocul motor. Bielele sunt toate cu litera B.

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post 3 Feb 2013, 19:10
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Am cautat in mai multe dictionare. N-am gasit nicaieri traducerea cuvintului BBBBBB, nici a lui BBBBBX.


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post 3 Feb 2013, 19:15
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dar pdf-ul de deasupra l-ai vazut? e mai complicata traducerea pt ca iti trebuie traducere tehnica... eu as incerca la un service mai rasarit...

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post 3 Feb 2013, 19:18
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post 3 Feb 2013, 19:22
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Fara sa fiu inginer si sa stiu engleza, asa, dupa desen, inteleg catrebuie sa cumpere cuzineti cu acelasi cod cu cel inscris pe tablita de pe blocul motor. Daca arborele are aceleasi cote si la manetoane si la paliere, nu conteaza care vine sus si care vine jos (in cazul pieseelor noi, la ceele vechi, demontate si puse la loc, trebuie notat exact locul de unde l-ai scos si sa-l pui tot acolo). Daca sint cote diferite, e tot simplu, cuzinetii de la palier nu se vvor potrivi la maneton si invers. Deci, care-i problema?

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post 3 Feb 2013, 20:17
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Eu am inteles ca se citeste codul de pe vibrochen si respectiv biela si cu ajutorul tabelelor se hotaraste ce cuzineti trebuie folositi. Din pacate nu stiu engleza si nu am reusit sa stabilesc ce cuzineti trebuie. sad.gif


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post 3 Feb 2013, 20:21
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Noteaza-ti codurile de pe piese si intreaba un mecanic mai batrin, care face motoare. Sigur stie ce si cum.


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post 3 Feb 2013, 20:24
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Cum n-am mecanic batran, sper sa gasesc pe forum pe cineva sa ma lamureasca.


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post 3 Feb 2013, 20:28
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Alea de sus sunt pentru vibrochen, cele de jos pentru biela. Nu inteleg de ce ai 2 poze.


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post 3 Feb 2013, 20:33
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Am pus poze cu 2 vibrochenuri diferite si o biela cu codul B. Voiam sa stiu ce cuzineti trebuie sa iau pentru fiecare dintre cele doua vibrochenuri.


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post 3 Feb 2013, 20:42
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Ai poze si cu codul de pe blocul motor?

Citesti codul de pe blocul motor, de la stanga la dreapta, pe randul de sus ai clasa de toleranta. (ex ABAAC)

Pe arbore, unde vine pistonul 1, ai un cod. Literele de sus corespund cuzinetilor de la palier, cele de jos cuzinetilor de la biela. (de la stanga la dreapta adica de la fulie spre volanta).

Pe biela ai stantata o litera, o combini cu cea de pe arbore cu ajutorul tabelului 2.

Ti-am tradus si tabelele.

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post 3 Feb 2013, 20:55
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2. Each rod has tolernance range from 0 to 0.018mm
(0.0007in.), in 0.006mm (0.0002in.) increments, depending on the size of its big end bore. It’s then
stamped with a letter (A, B or C) indicating the range.
You may find any combination of letters in any engine


2. fiecare biela are un interval de toleranta intre 0 si 0.018mm, in pasi de 0.006mm, in functie de marimea gaurii [alezei] de la capatul mare. E apoi stantat cu o litera (A, B, C), indicand intervalul de toleranta. Poti gasi orice combinatie de litere in fiecare motor.


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post 3 Feb 2013, 21:42
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Bielele mele sunt toate cu litera B. Deci sa inteleg ca trebuie sa citesc si codul de pe blocul motor?


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post 3 Feb 2013, 22:18
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eu vad ca sunt 3 tipuri de vibrochene, I, II si III, ai un tabel cu ce corespunde la biela de tip B pentru fiecare tip de vibrochen. Evident, trebuie impreunate toate piesele intre ele...

tabelu de care vorbesc e sub paragraful asta.

4. Use the big end bore codes and rod journal codes
to select appropriate replacement bearings from the
following table.
NOTE
Color code is on the edge of the bearing.
Refer to the table in the step 5 of rod bearing clearance inspection.

Oricum problema pare suficient de complexa, asa ca mai bine lasi pe cineva care stie ce face..


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post 3 Feb 2013, 22:59
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Din pacate nu stie nimeni, in afara de cei de la reprezentanta si care au niste preturi nesimtite si nu vor sa dea informatia, cica asa e politica lor interioara , iar masina e desfacuta la un service mic, ce nu are vreo legatura cu reprezentanta. sad.gif


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post 3 Feb 2013, 23:24
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Iti trebuie si codurile de pe blocul motor, e chiar la inceput in documentul tau. In principiu, fiecare cuzinet e in contact cu 2 "chestii", 2 suprafete. Fiecare suprafata e de tip A, B sau C. Iar tabelele iti dau codu cuzinetului (culoare sau litera) in functie de cele 2 suprafete, astfel incat pelicula de ulei sa aibe grosimea ceruta.


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post 3 Feb 2013, 23:49
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Toate 4 bielele au litera B. Am facut poze la blocul motor, o atasez mai jos.

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Pentru primul vibrochen (BBBBB-BBBB) in blocul (BBBBB) ai nevoie de 5 cuzineti palier tip C (fara culoare) si 4 cuzineti biela tip C (alb) daca folosesti cele 4 biele tip B.

Pentru al doilea vibrochen (AAAAA-ABBB) tot in blocul (BBBBB) ai nevoie de 5 cuzineti palier tip B (negru) si 1 cuzinet biela tip B (negru) pentru primul piston, si 3 cuzineti biela tip C (alb) pentru restul pistoanelor, daca folosesti 4 biele tip B.


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post 5 Feb 2013, 11:10
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QUOTE(4x4 @ 4 Feb 2013, 22:15)
Pentru primul vibrochen (BBBBB-BBBB) in blocul (BBBBB) ai nevoie de 5 cuzineti palier tip C (fara culoare) si 4 cuzineti biela tip C (alb) daca folosesti cele 4 biele tip B.
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Se exista un numar impar de cuzineti?


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16 a vrut sa zica 5 perechi cu 4 perechi


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post 5 Feb 2013, 11:58
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QUOTE(corbex @ 5 Feb 2013, 11:10)
Se exista un numar impar de cuzineti?
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In loc sa vorbesti la subiect, ai venit la misto fata de cel care a incercat sa ajute.


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QUOTE(corbex @ 5 Feb 2013, 12:10)
Se exista un numar impar de cuzineti?
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QUOTE(ct-03-tvy @ 5 Feb 2013, 12:35)
16 a vrut sa zica 5 perechi cu 4 perechi
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A zis cuzineti nu semicuzineti.


Si pentru initiator e corect ce a zis 4x4.

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post 5 Feb 2013, 21:55
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Deci, la palier sunt 5 cuzineti (5 perechi de semicuzineti) + cei axiali (o pereche)?

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Da, ai 5 paliere pe arborele cotit la 4 manetoane.
Ca atare e corect ce ti-a zic colegul mai sus.


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post 6 Feb 2013, 20:34
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Eu credeam ca axialii sunt doar cele doua semilune, de fapt din setul axial fac parte semilunele si doi semicuzineti care se monteaza central pe arbore. Gresesc?
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Din cate inteleg eu e asa.
BBBBB pe arbore cotit Ø60(+0.008 ~ +0.014)
BBBBk

BBBBB pe bloc Ø64(+0.006 ~ +0.012)
CBBC
Din tabel iti trebuie B cu B cuzineti tip C astfel incat sa iti ramana un joc 0.024 ~ 0.042 mm

La Biela e asa:
BBBB pe arbore adica II II II II Ø50 (+0.014 ~ +0.020)
Bielele sunt B Ø 53 (+0.006 ~ +0.012)
Din tabel iti da B cu II C White(alb)
Jocul trebuie sa fie 0.024 ~0.042 mm

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In cartea tehnica din care ai postat primul pdf nu gasesti ceva despre ei?


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post 6 Feb 2013, 21:58
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La ce te referi 4x4?


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La cuzinetii axiali.


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